Comments for Kingdom Conversations http://coldfire136.wordpress.com ...traversing the wide expanse... Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:09:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on What Jesus Doesn’t Know by nate http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/what-jesus-doesnt-know/#comment-121 nate Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:37:41 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=54#comment-121 Oh yes, "Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines [...]" A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, "But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace" (2 Pet. 3:8–14). " from http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp Oh yes,

“Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines [...]”

A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8–14). ”

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http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp

]]> Comment on Chris Tomlin - Made to Worship by call me Rud http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/chris-tomlin-made-to-worship/#comment-109 call me Rud Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:38:21 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/chris-tomlin-made-to-worship/#comment-109 Please just remember about : - Predestination of God's love for all of us before the world. so that all of us really deeply understand that all of us, HIS creation, were made to worship HIM....worship can be explained more to having deeply relationship and walk day by day with HIM, so that we will be always in His amazing and great Love, and His strength, and His wisdom... and indeed, Father in Christ Jesus is worthy of all our praise, not because who we are ..but because who HE is...not because our good deed and what we did...but just because what HE has done for our eternal life...as HE really loves us as HIS beloved children and creation. I am the one that was predestined to be HIS beloved child, not because who i am...but absolutely because HIS eternal love for me...not because what i have done , but because HE has planned my days to be conformed and transformed since I was in the womb. love in Christ Jesus, our Father Rud Please just remember about :
- Predestination of God’s love for all of us before the world.
so that all of us really deeply understand that all of us, HIS creation, were made to worship HIM….worship can be explained more to having deeply relationship and walk day by day with HIM, so that we will be always in His amazing and great Love, and His strength, and His wisdom…

and indeed, Father in Christ Jesus is worthy of all our praise, not because who we are ..but because who HE is…not because our good deed and what we did…but just because what HE has done for our eternal life…as HE really loves us as HIS beloved children and creation.

I am the one that was predestined to be HIS beloved child, not because who i am…but absolutely because HIS eternal love for me…not because what i have done , but because HE has planned my days to be conformed and transformed since I was in the womb.

love in Christ Jesus, our Father
Rud

]]> Comment on Hold Fast - MercyMe by christiangirl101 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/hold-fast-mercyme/#comment-104 christiangirl101 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:33:08 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=43#comment-104 i absolutely luv this song!!!!its one of my favs!!!!!! i absolutely luv this song!!!!its one of my favs!!!!!!

]]> Comment on The Torture of Jesus by Wes Ellis http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-torture-of-jesus/#comment-95 Wes Ellis Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:56:50 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=50#comment-95 nate, crucifixion, however you paint it, was an example to whoever was watching of what happens when someone crosses Rome. I appreciate your comment and you are right that there was a very deep spiritual element to what was happening on the cross. But I would argue that it is wrong to think that Jesus' teachings would have been understood as politically neutral. Take the so-called beatitudes, for example, it's quite a statement to say "blessed are those who are persecuted." This would have been read as a slap in the face to Roman persecutors. I acknowledge that the Gospels are trying to emphasize the Jewish rejection of Jesus (this is probably because by the time they were being written the Christian faith was being formed as distinct from Judaism for the first time in history) so they steer clear of putting direct blame on Rome. But, may I suggest, Roman condemnation would have already been assumed by the reader thus more convincing was necessary in the other direction, forcing the author to emphasize the Jewish condemnation. May I suggest a book to help: Though I don't agree with all of his conclusions, J.D. Crossan's "God and Empire: Jesus Against Rome, Then and Now" has some very good perspectives on Jesus' teachings in this direction. http://www.amazon.com/God-Empire-Jesus-Against-Rome/dp/B0013L2EJ0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207021687&sr=8-5 nate,
crucifixion, however you paint it, was an example to whoever was watching of what happens when someone crosses Rome.
I appreciate your comment and you are right that there was a very deep spiritual element to what was happening on the cross. But I would argue that it is wrong to think that Jesus’ teachings would have been understood as politically neutral. Take the so-called beatitudes, for example, it’s quite a statement to say “blessed are those who are persecuted.” This would have been read as a slap in the face to Roman persecutors.
I acknowledge that the Gospels are trying to emphasize the Jewish rejection of Jesus (this is probably because by the time they were being written the Christian faith was being formed as distinct from Judaism for the first time in history) so they steer clear of putting direct blame on Rome. But, may I suggest, Roman condemnation would have already been assumed by the reader thus more convincing was necessary in the other direction, forcing the author to emphasize the Jewish condemnation.
May I suggest a book to help:
Though I don’t agree with all of his conclusions, J.D. Crossan’s “God and Empire: Jesus Against Rome, Then and Now” has some very good perspectives on Jesus’ teachings in this direction.

http://www.amazon.com/God-Empire-Jesus-Against-Rome/dp/B0013L2EJ0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207021687&sr=8-5

]]> Comment on Awaken - Natalie Grant by Analysis of Contemporary Christian Music « Kingdom Conversations http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/awaken-natalie-grant/#comment-93 Analysis of Contemporary Christian Music « Kingdom Conversations Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:49:14 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/awaken-natalie-grant/#comment-93 [...] Awaken: Natalie Grant [...] [...] Awaken: Natalie Grant [...]

]]> Comment on Undo - Rush of Fools by nate http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/undo-rush-of-fools/#comment-85 nate Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:17:29 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/undo-rush-of-fools/#comment-85 Powerful last paragraph. Well stated. How much purer would the 'church' be if the sacrament of confession was still in place within protestantism! Been a while since I tuned into "Christian" music...should such modifiers (secular/sacred) exist? Perhaps I ought to tune in. Powerful last paragraph. Well stated. How much purer would the ‘church’ be if the sacrament of confession was still in place within protestantism!
Been a while since I tuned into “Christian” music…should such modifiers (secular/sacred) exist? Perhaps I ought to tune in.

]]> Comment on The Torture of Jesus by nate http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-torture-of-jesus/#comment-84 nate Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:08:02 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=50#comment-84 I agree, but feel it is important to delineate between the "nature of oppression in the crucifixion; that it, is was less political and more internally religious. Sure, Jesus lived in the midst of Roman imperialism, but the oppression so often spoke of in the gospels is that of a spiritual blindness--in which Jesus' own people, the spiritual leaders, were blind to spiritual, not political salvation. Jesus makes little to no attempt speak out against Roman oppression. In fact he benevolently agrees to taxation (historically heavy taxation...heavier for those, like Jesus, who did not posses the coveted Roman citizenship) when he says, "give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." Jesus was not a political activist, and the torture he suffered under Roman rule was at the request of the subjects of his Judaic reformation. At least that's my opinion, which could very well be wrong. I agree, but feel it is important to delineate between the “nature of oppression in the crucifixion; that it, is was less political and more internally religious. Sure, Jesus lived in the midst of Roman imperialism, but the oppression so often spoke of in the gospels is that of a spiritual blindness–in which Jesus’ own people, the spiritual leaders, were blind to spiritual, not political salvation. Jesus makes little to no attempt speak out against Roman oppression. In fact he benevolently agrees to taxation (historically heavy taxation…heavier for those, like Jesus, who did not posses the coveted Roman citizenship) when he says, “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Jesus was not a political activist, and the torture he suffered under Roman rule was at the request of the subjects of his Judaic reformation.
At least that’s my opinion, which could very well be wrong.

]]> Comment on The Invitations to the Kingdom by Some blogs worth visiting today « Community of the Risen http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-kingdom-of-heaven-is-like-a-king/#comment-83 Some blogs worth visiting today « Community of the Risen Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:50:05 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=49#comment-83 [...] Mark Montgomery has written some very good thoughts on how we are invited into God’s Kingdom. [...] [...] Mark Montgomery has written some very good thoughts on how we are invited into God’s Kingdom. [...]

]]> Comment on The Torture of Jesus by wellis68 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-torture-of-jesus/#comment-67 wellis68 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:36:48 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=50#comment-67 Danny, Yes, you are certainly correct. I believe you are referring to the sentence: "Although placing Jesus’ death in the realm of abstract thought can be easy, the thought of torture could not be more concrete." That sentence was not clear. What I meant by it is that it can be easy for us to reduce the death of Jesus to a theological abstraction, whereas torture brings Jesus suffering back into flesh-and-blood terms. Danny,
Yes, you are certainly correct.

I believe you are referring to the sentence: “Although placing Jesus’ death in the realm of abstract thought can be easy, the thought of torture could not be more concrete.”

That sentence was not clear. What I meant by it is that it can be easy for us to reduce the death of Jesus to a theological abstraction, whereas torture brings Jesus suffering back into flesh-and-blood terms.

]]> Comment on The Torture of Jesus by coldfire136 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/the-torture-of-jesus/#comment-66 coldfire136 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:48:11 +0000 http://coldfire136.wordpress.com/?p=50#comment-66 I know that you already know this, but I think we need to be careful how quickly we call the death of Jesus "easy." The idea of God being dead for three days is by no means easy---even in abstract thought. I know you don't mean to lessen the fact of his death, but I just wanted to point that out. I know that you already know this, but I think we need to be careful how quickly we call the death of Jesus “easy.” The idea of God being dead for three days is by no means easy—even in abstract thought. I know you don’t mean to lessen the fact of his death, but I just wanted to point that out.

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